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arionhunter ([info]arionhunter) wrote,
@ 2008-04-03 10:35:00
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Combining two old memes to make delicious new meme


EDIT: Yes, you may feel free to reproduce the bingo card! If you do wish to, please use the version with a credit line.

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[info]das_dingsi
2008-04-03 04:14 pm UTC (link)
Words can't express my fierce love for you.

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[info]arionhunter
2008-04-03 08:45 pm UTC (link)
*hugs* Hah, words are for grammarians. We special folks use smoke signals and color-coded organizers to express our love.

That was a terrible joke, wasn't it?

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[info]das_dingsi
2008-04-03 08:47 pm UTC (link)
DON'T FORGET THE EMOTIVE CAPSLOCK

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[info]arionhunter
2008-04-03 08:51 pm UTC (link)
WITH ITALICS. AND MAYBE SOME BOLD.

COMBINED, THEY ARE LIKE A TIDAL WAVE OF LOVE BREAKING ON THE SHORE OF A COLD, LONELY FANNISH HEART.

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[info]das_dingsi
2008-04-03 08:57 pm UTC (link)
... uh ...



... sparklies?

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[info]arionhunter
2008-04-03 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Oh, so very tempting. Very, very tempting. But I can't embed midis into comments, sadly.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-11 03:11 pm UTC (link)
:D (http://community.livejournal.com/capslock_house/778177.html?thread=17081793#t17081793)

Catherine
http://notacrnflkgirl.livejournal.com/

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-11 03:16 pm UTC (link)
*via http://shemale.livejournal.com/93664.html?thread=2498528#t2498528

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[info]sigelphoenix
2008-04-04 03:12 pm UTC (link)
*applauds*

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[info]maslennikov
2008-04-05 08:36 pm UTC (link)
(Here via Dingsi.)

Word. I have had the goddamnedest time with B4. I remember when I was in group therapy while staying in a psychiatric hospital, I went into a lengthy, clear, rational explanation (or so I thought) to the group about what it is to be a gay transman. Followed by:

" ... Um, what?"

"It means she doesn't like guys, dumbass!"

TOTAL LOGICAL DISCONNECT.

Followed by a lot of flailing and spitting and finally I managed to thump myself on the chest and cry out soulfully, "What?! No! I love men! I want to fuck men up the ass!"

(For best results, read that in my thick Russian accent.)

I guess the simplest explanation is the best, because they seemed to get it after that. Though I'm still pissed off that the group leader took me aside and told me that talking about it hadn't been an appropriate topic for the group, even though a few other (heterosexual, cisgendered) members had gone into detail about their sex lives ... And then we got into an argument over whether I say "inciting" things "to make trouble" due to some deep emotional problem of mine, and, Jesus. *rolls eyes* Yeah, I tried to kill myself in part because I'm trans, and that's why I'm in the hospital, but God forbid I talk about it, because of course I'd just be doing it to offend somebody!

Anyway. *clears throat* Rant over, sorry.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 03:48 pm UTC (link)
When a time comes where I have to explain my "nonstandard gender identity" I put it in very simple terms. "Hi! My name is Jamie. I'm a girl. No wink-wink-nudge-nudge, no asterisk with fine print. I'm a girl. End of story."

Of course, the standard response is to either A) assume that "I'm a girl" equals "I was born with a vagina" and that I'm one of those people that "wants to be a boy", or B) ignore me outright and go on with their own stupid idea of who I am--because obviously they know me better than I do, even though they just met me, right?

I'm not angry, no not at all...

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 03:52 pm UTC (link)
But where's the "God made you a $_sex and that's what you'll always be to me!"

Jessie_c from Livejournal

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 03:54 pm UTC (link)
This is beyond awesome. ~ Jamie

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 04:16 pm UTC (link)
You forgot the one where transmen are misogynist and rejecting the "divine feminine," and transwomen aren't "real" women because they're coming from a position of male privilege. *shudder*

I'm torn at whether this card makes me feel worse about humanity because so many people actually say/believe this shit, or better because you are awesome and made a bingo card for it.

(this is Rachel E., btw--I'm not registered on IJ)

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[info]arionhunter
2008-04-07 05:34 pm UTC (link)
I wanted to shy away from including things that were too obviously radfem, but it was very tempting. The "divine feminine" one just boggles me, but I never understood the veneration of menstruation either.

It is pre-pregnancy, people! It is the remains of dead possibilities exiting your uterus. What is attractive and moving about this?

(Not to say someone can't find it attractive, but.)

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 05:31 pm UTC (link)
This is great, you rock :D

(Followed an LJ comm link)

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[info]arionhunter
2008-04-07 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Where from, out of curiosity?

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 05:45 pm UTC (link)
Not the same person but here from http://community.livejournal.com/pflag/ and that's great!

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[info]arionhunter
2008-04-07 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Ah, thanks!

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 05:58 pm UTC (link)
transgender and trans_yay on LJ

and

http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2008/04/finally-what-youve-been-waiting-for.html

there also linked you :D

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[info]amadi
2008-04-07 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Excellent. Most excellent. A double round of applause from an allied ciswoman.

(Here from queer_rage where this was linked earlier today.)

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Glorious!

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[info]herstory
2008-04-07 06:35 pm UTC (link)
That is really awesome (here from queer_rage on LJ).

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Where were you last night?
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 06:40 pm UTC (link)
THIS is awesome! I went to a BDSM party last night and the topic of the month was transgenderism, and I heard a lot of cisgender privilege type statements. If I had known about this, I SOO would have brought it!

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Re: Where were you last night?
(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 05:52 am UTC (link)
who are you?! i was at a bdsm party on saturday night and was forced to endure cisgender privilege! i eventually stopped listening.

small world!

dylan
daddysambiguity on LiveJournal

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[info]lily_liedtome
2008-04-07 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Rock on! :)

(here via [info]newtrans on LJ)

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 07:09 pm UTC (link)
My god, but this is brilliant

- Gwen Smith (who doesn't have an insane journal account)

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permission to share this?
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 07:39 pm UTC (link)
a) This is awesome! Thank you so much for compiling this. It is so good to have my reality reflected back at me (even the awkward and obnoxious parts).
b) If I mark each box that has been said to me today, and get a full row, what do I win?
c) May I have your permission to print this and use it as an educational tool? And if so how should I cite you?
-Davey from www.thinkagaintraining.com & www.sometimesdaveywins.blogspot.com

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Re: permission to share this?
[info]arionhunter
2008-04-07 07:54 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure! Given that the first response to it on one community was "But why?" I think we both win internet cookies.

And you may certainly use it! Part of my original intent in making it was to serve as a training tool to help non-trans people recognize transphobic/privileged arguments, so I would be honored to have it used as such.

Credit would be excellent. I can e-mail you a name to use, as this one is just an internets handle.

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Re: permission to share this?
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Wonderful! davey at thinkagaintraining dot com Thanks!

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 11:42 pm UTC (link)
I second this! I'm a sex educator & I'm actually doing a presentation on trans stuff this Saturday. I would love to include this!

charlie dot darling dot xo at gmail dot com
roughandtumble on LJ

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 08:04 pm UTC (link)
This is fab!!! Can I steal it and print it up for some of my family?

--errant_girl on lj aka Maya

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[info]zubon.org
2008-04-07 08:07 pm UTC (link)
this is brilliant, and i'm showing it to aaaaaaall my trans roommates/friends/etc. and putting it on the fridge

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[info]skippai.livejournal.com
2008-04-07 08:09 pm UTC (link)
You. Win. At. Life.

That is all.

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[info]kaizoku
2008-04-07 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Here from a rec by snakey (on LJ). Love the bingo, but the paperclip! OMG! *dies*

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P.S.
(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Please email me your name so I can credit you on this when I print it up.

errant_girl@livejournal.com

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 11:23 pm UTC (link)
oh thats awesome!

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 03:45 am UTC (link)
You're missing the "You're just taking your deeper issues out on your body!" one, but Bingo only has so many spaces...

Totally, totally brilliant. Am saving post-haste.

(T.k., here via queer_rage on LJ)

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 04:19 am UTC (link)
Came here on an lj rec, and thought this was fabulous. Then I saw the paperclip, and knew this was fabulous! Props!

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-08 05:34 am UTC (link)
Awsome:)

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[info]flaviarassen.livejournal.com
2008-04-09 04:36 pm UTC (link)
I suppose "cisgender" CAN be an insult when the usual way you
see it written is conjoined with "privilege" and other angry
terms. Taken just on definition, it seems to be a term for
people who are lucky that they don't have to make society
understand/accept them.

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query
(Anonymous)
2008-04-10 05:49 am UTC (link)
do you feel that discussions of male privilege have no role in discussions of transgender?

-m_shell at lj

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Re: query
(Anonymous)
2008-04-11 09:53 am UTC (link)
it's a straw man if you ask me. my middle sister is a transwoman and i really don't want to hear the "male privilege" crap flonked. i think you'd have a fine case for discussing it in terms of, say, anne lawrence, but increasingly more and more transpeople are empowered to not suffer in silence younger and younger in their lives; it's probably less of an issue than ever as a result. anne lawrence and willow arune are the exception and not the rule more and more often. this is *awesome* i think if one is going to talk about my sis, a girl who transitioned when she was 12, and who had an even worse time in middle and high school than i did, it's a disservice to play that card. i took it on the chin for being a dyke; she took it on the chin for being a dyke and a transgirl. i wince at the michigan types who think my fat ass is blessed with sparkly grrlpower because i came with a vagina and she's a man because she didn't at first. that's really essentialist at its heart and is the sort of thought that ends up being used to keep women in their place. not cool.

also, it's not "discussions of transgender", yanno, it's discussions ABOUT transgendered PEOPLE, people with souls and faces and hands and lives and responsibilities, individuals who share that umbrella that is "being transgendered". there is no one big ominous TRANSGENDERRRRRR out there; it's people who for some reason some cissies take exception to for one small aspect of their lives. it's my responsibility as a cisgendered woman to speak truth to my kind and not accept excuses because it's cisgendered people who are the oppressors; after all we're all interlinked. oppressing transpeople is generally just upholding patriarchal norms and standards in a new way, and the more power the patriarchy has, the less power all women do. think about it.

and no, before lectures on white liberal guilt, i'm a lower-class immigrant brown girl from the ghetto. i don't define myself as an "ally" because that's about as self-righteous as it gets. i have no guilt, just knowledge to fight the hate and the stupidity with. i'd rather my friends and family be themselves even if there are people with problems with what they are than be miserable, hurting, or worse. bringing issues of "male privilege" into their lives as a sort of shadowy bugbear in the background is just another way to try to claim transpeople are different or lesser, and that's straight up bullllsh**t.

(and to the original poster: i took a wicked glee in how this made some cissies squirm. also the "but WHY?" space gave me a real chuckle. you are awesome sauce and i thank you for this valuable educational tool...my sole complaint is that there wasn't a stupid bathroom question on there. i am cisgendered and i have no clue why my people are so bloody obsessed with WHICH BATHROOM DO YOU USE? seriously barfworthy.)

(no LJ but i'm Annie. hi!)

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Re: query
[info]das_dingsi
2008-04-11 03:36 pm UTC (link)
I think I'm in love with you a little.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-12 09:53 pm UTC (link)
Shit, I picked up this mirror here and I had to fill in a square already. It would be two if I confused "I have privilege" with "I am a bigot" (whether out of ignorance or, well, not).

(No IJ; led here by a man on my LJ list.)

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-22 01:19 am UTC (link)
FTM, really, but post-transition? A man. "FTM" seems to me to trivialize it at that point.

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[info]tribal_tiger
2008-05-10 03:21 am UTC (link)
at the same time, there are health concerns and such that FTM people have, pre AND post transition, that XY males don't have.

not to mention the 'growing up in a different place' thing that does have a small impact on social things, and i think should be respected. not respected in a 'ur not a reel man/woman' bullshit way, but as a 'no two people are exactly the same, and i shouldn't have to feel ashamed about my past' kind of way.

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[info]cloudsdriftby
2008-05-10 06:06 am UTC (link)
You are made of awesome.

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[info]akai_senshi
2008-05-12 01:45 pm UTC (link)
FOR THE MOTHERFUCKING WIN

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